Pick and Place TVM920, SMT460, Neoden4

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Pick and Place TVM920, SMT460, Neoden4

Postby tonnypcb » Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:51 am

Hi folks,
I am Tonny and just registered here. Currently I am using TM240A of neoden which bought 2 years ago but I would like to buy something with vision system and more feeders. TM240A works fine even with manual adjustments of the components finally but I think noadays can be found something really better for about $10K-$12K. I was considering to buy neoden4, but during the last week I found two pick and place machines which seems to be comparable to Neoden4 and maybe better:
TVM920 and SMT460 (I will send links tomorrow during the restriction of this forum)

The both machines seems to be fresh and I didn't found any other posts/reviews so far.
Breifly here it is the prices i got so far:

Base price for TVM920 (without feeders): $6500
Base price for SMT460 (without feeders): $6400
Base price for Neoden4 (without feeders): $6500

Seems feeders are yamaha compatible (copy i guess) for TVM920 and SMT460 machines but the price is different:
For TVM920:
Feeder 8mm - $58
Feeder 12mm - $85
Feeder 16mm - $90
Feeder 24mm - $250

For SMT460
Feeder 8mm - $80
Feeder 12mm - $133
Feeder 16mm - $150
Feeder 24mm - $350

For Neoden4 they are custom feeders and as far as i can see changing components is a little bit harder ?
Feeder 8mm - $60
Feeder 12mm - $75
Feeder 16mm - $90


Nozzles - 4 for all the three:
For TVM920: some standart nozzles ?
For SMT460: seems to be Juki type
For Neoden4: ...?

SMT460 is with 40 feeders max while TVM920 is with 56 feeders max and neoden4 is 48 max
All can support vibration feeders but for TVM920 and SMT460 additional cost may be required

Can anybody share experience with some of these p&p machines ? It seems they are on the market since 2-3 months but there is information only for Neoden4. The total price for all of them is almost the same, parameters are similar but which one is the most relaiable?

Thank you in advance guys!
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Re: Pick and Place TVM920, SMT460, Neoden4

Postby tonnypcb » Sat Jan 23, 2016 6:00 am

Also I forgot to note the movement mechanism:
For TVM920: belt
For SMT460: belt
For Neoden4: screw
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Re: Pick and Place TVM920, SMT460, Neoden4

Postby supertronic » Sat Jan 23, 2016 4:38 pm

I am sorry but Neoden 4 has belt too:

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We have ball screw machine using Samsung CP45 nozzles!

Regarding to the Neoden 4 machine I found a nice BLOG:
http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/neoden-4-pick-and-place/150/


Best regards
Michael
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Re: Pick and Place TVM920, SMT460, Neoden4

Postby phangmoh » Wed Jan 27, 2016 2:25 am

tonnypcb wrote:Also I forgot to note the movement mechanism:
For TVM920: belt
For SMT460: belt
For Neoden4: screw

What about the vacuum pump? I know the Neoden 4 has an internal pump.
Having to buy a separate and have the space for it is a hassle.
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Re: Pick and Place TVM920, SMT460, Neoden4

Postby supertronic » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:17 am

What about the vacuum pump? I know the Neoden 4 has an internal pump.
Having to buy a separate and have the space for it is a hassle.

Yes but it's easy to replace if it's external and for service too!
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Re: Pick and Place TVM920, SMT460, Neoden4

Postby pixbroker » Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:45 am

I just bought a SMT460 and am looking for advise on a silent (quiet) compressed air source.
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Re: Pick and Place TVM920, SMT460, Neoden4

Postby Reckless » Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:29 am

What do you think of SMT460? I'm considering to buy one.
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Re: Pick and Place TVM920, SMT460, Neoden4

Postby tommesha » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:57 pm

both machines seems to be fresh
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