HAKKO (907ESD) and SOLOMON (SL-10/30) soldering iron driver

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Re: HAKKO (907ESD) and SOLOMON (SL-10/30) soldering iron dri

Postby diogoc » Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:02 am

I dont have the original Hakko schematic but I found some schematic in a chinese page.

The T12 tip is driven by a DC voltage and the temperature is measured in periods when there is no tension in the heater
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Re: HAKKO (907ESD) and SOLOMON (SL-10/30) soldering iron dri

Postby arhi » Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:15 am

This is a 2wire setup. No you cannot modify SID to use those. You have to redesign it. It's not a big deal to design a driver to handle this type of handles too but I did not want to do it initially because they are expensive. I do see a point of making a cheap driver for 10$ handle, I really don't care about making a cheap driver for 100$ handle as if you can afford 100$ handle you can afford also a 100-200$ driver :)
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Re: HAKKO (907ESD) and SOLOMON (SL-10/30) soldering iron dri

Postby neslekkim » Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:40 am

depend on what you have to pay..
I bought an fx951 from US, 220volt version, but I got an clone, paid $240+$30 in shipping.
And the fx951 on amazon or other verified dealers take the same amount so I thought it was ok

Here in Norway, i have to pay the equivalent of $760 for the fx951.. which is a lot more than $240..

And then you ask, why would you want this type?, the 936 and 888 is definately good enough for our use, but they don't have this series of tips:
http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/hakko ... 5-1401.htm
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Re: HAKKO (907ESD) and SOLOMON (SL-10/30) soldering iron dri

Postby arakis » Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:47 am

There is no way they are runnig a Thermocouple in series with the heater, it would't be able to stand the 2amps...
Its the familiar setup reading the resistance of the heater to get the heater temp.. probably measured when during the Toff period of the PWM signal that drives it..
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Re: HAKKO (907ESD) and SOLOMON (SL-10/30) soldering iron dri

Postby arhi » Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:57 am

well those tips I only found useful with BGA work, and again, you do BGA, you pay thousands for soldering work anyhow :D :D :D
can't you regularly get the one for 270$ from amazon and ignore local sellers?

back to the driver thing .. can you get the replacement handle for 951 cheaply ? The only place I found the replacement iron sold it for 100$ .. tips are also non-cheap .. that defeated the purpose of cheap & simple driver SID intended to be... (actually I just had bunch of hakko and solomon handles in da house so wanted to use them :D if I had 951 handle I'd support that one too but now is too late)

The schematic you attached looks ok, why don't you use that one ?

@arakis, the heater itself can behave like TC only not the standard type so you have to generate a table yourself
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Re: HAKKO (907ESD) and SOLOMON (SL-10/30) soldering iron dri

Postby diogoc » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:01 am

I have talked about that tip because I see that:

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shi ... 21251.html

$20 for the handle + tip and free shipping I think it is not too expensive.
Each tip is about $10 and have several advantages relative to Hakko 907, as the temperature is more constant and less delay because the sensor is located near the tip end, easy replacement tip in operation, and when replacing the tip the heater is also new
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Re: HAKKO (907ESD) and SOLOMON (SL-10/30) soldering iron dri

Postby arhi » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:25 am

wow that is cheap, last time I checked they were selling the handle without the tip for 100-120$

as for composite cartridge tips, I know the benefits, I use PACE with TD100 handle myself :D and I love it (it's actually imo way better then hakko fm2028 cause fm2028 is so god damn long)
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Re: HAKKO (907ESD) and SOLOMON (SL-10/30) soldering iron dri

Postby diogoc » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:02 am

yes in the picture it looks a bit long. The TD100 looks fine, but I dont find cheap tips for it :(

I'm tempted to buy the fm2028 but I'm afraid that I can not put it to work properly
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Re: HAKKO (907ESD) and SOLOMON (SL-10/30) soldering iron dri

Postby neslekkim » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:03 am

That handle is seriously bad, it's the same I have on my clone, the tip fell out, and bad connection all the time..

This is the cheapest originals i have found:
http://www.dancap.co.uk/soldering/fx951pricelist.htm
But he does not sell outside UK
This seller in US sells on ebay: http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/hakko ... 027-02.htm
but they are expensive, and he normally takes $40 for shipping.

Regarding amazon, well, amazon does not sell everything outside us either, but the next problem is 110/220 volts, if could go to UK, I could buy an replacement transformer there. To bad Hakko dictates this so much, that he don't want to sell outside UK.
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Re: HAKKO (907ESD) and SOLOMON (SL-10/30) soldering iron dri

Postby diogoc » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:16 am

The Hakko 912 looks better and it also uses T12 tips
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shi ... 67431.html

Do you have already used one of these?
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Re: HAKKO (907ESD) and SOLOMON (SL-10/30) soldering iron dri

Postby arhi » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:36 am

TD100 tips are not more expensive then proper hakko tips. I was getting a diamond (pace have standard tips with iron between copper and tin and diamond tips with industrial diamond between copper and tin, the diamond ones last waaaaaaaaay longer and the heat conductivity trough diamond is way better then trough iron) tips from PACE for 13$ each .. compared to 10-12$ for regular hakko tips that's not expensive.. regular pace tips (iron, not diamond) are 9-11$

What TD100 is very good about is when you grab the handle the tip is very close to your hand so you can do very precise moves and you can work under microscope, with 2028 or 907 the tip is so far away from your hand that precise motion is hard and you need a lot of room under your microscope to properly work (same issue with Spanish JBC)... and of course, we all know that PACE patented the microwave soldering tip :D

http://www.pacedirect.com/products/tips ... td100-tips

http://www.pacedirect.com/products/tips ... ndard-0634
http://www.pacedirect.com/products/tips ... e-tip-0501
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Re: HAKKO (907ESD) and SOLOMON (SL-10/30) soldering iron dri

Postby arhi » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:40 am

wrt length .. some comparison image from another post here on dp forum
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Re: HAKKO (907ESD) and SOLOMON (SL-10/30) soldering iron dri

Postby matseng » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:57 am

arhi wrote:, the diamond ones last waaaaaaaaay longer and the heat conductivity trough diamond is way better then trough iron) tips from PACE for 13$ each .. compared to 10-12$ for regular hakko tips that's not expensive.. regular pace tips (iron, not diamond) are 9-11$


Are they $13 or $130?
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Re: HAKKO (907ESD) and SOLOMON (SL-10/30) soldering iron dri

Postby arhi » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:09 am

$13, check the link for example. check out PACE for details

http://www.pacedirect.co.uk/faqs.php
What are Diamond Tips?
Diamond Series Tips are designed for maximum life, even when using corrosive lead free solders, and for maximum heat transfer putting highly productive soldering within reach easily.

Traditionally, soldering tips are manufactured by forming the desired shape of the tip out of copper, then plating the copper with a protective layer of pure iron. Next, a layer of nickel/chrome is selectively plated on the tips to prevent the entire tip from wetting with solder which defines the working area of the tip. The problem with traditional tips is that iron is a poor conductor of heat compared to copper and copper is not as durable as iron, so there is a fine balance that needs to be maintained. If too much iron is added, it will prevent the tip from working well, and if too little iron is added the tip will fail quickly.

PACE's new Diamond Series tips differ from traditionally made tips because we combine submicron sized particles of natural diamond with the iron plating solution that results in a composite, protective layer of iron and diamond particles. The diamond enriched matrix is harder than pure iron and will not wear down as quickly as the tip is abraded. Diamond tips can withstand the corrosive environment of lead free solders and high temperatures far better than soldering tips plated with iron alone. Because the diamond particles are an itegral part of the iron matrix and not a coating, they cannot wear off. Additionally, the resulting surface of the tip is not smooth but is micro-textured that eases wetting with solder and reduces the formation of oxidation. PACE's new Diamond Tips offer extended life, faster wetting and effortless cleaning.

In addition to the patented matrix, all Diamond Series tips feature an increased thermal mass and higher wattage heater to really deliver the heat better than before! These are ideal for high mass and/or high volume applications! PACE continues to lead the industry by continually developing technology to improve soldering performance. With the 48 available Diamond Series tips, it is now easier than ever to find the perfect, high performance tip for your application.

Diamond Series Tips, are available for the TD-100 & HTD-100 Soldering Irons.
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Re: HAKKO (907ESD) and SOLOMON (SL-10/30) soldering iron dri

Postby arhi » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:15 am

Some prices so you don't have to login there (part of my recent invoice)

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Diamond Soldering Tip .094" Chisel Standard, Product Code: 1126-0634-P1   $13.48 USD
Diamond Soldering Tip.118" Bevel, 60 Degrees, Product Code: 1126-0618-P1   $13.48 USD
Diamond Soldering Tip .047" Chisel Standard, Product Code: 1126-0632-P1   $13.48 USD
Diamond Soldering Tip .016" Conical, Product Code: 1126-0601-P1   $13.48 USD
Angled MiniWave, 2.4mm , Product Code: 1124-0035-P1   $10.44 USD
Angled MiniWave, Fine Pitch, Product Code: 1124-0039-P1   $10.44 USD
Angled Micro-Wave, Product Code: 1124-0045-P1   $15.79 USD
Micro-Wave, Product Code: 1124-0046-P1   $15.79 USD
Angled MiniWave, 3.3 mm, Product Code: 1124-0033-P1   $10.44 USD
MiniWave, Product Code: 1124-0032-P1   $10.44 USD
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