High speed Pick & Place for $3600

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Re: High speed Pick & Place for $3600

Reply #420 – December 02, 2014, 05:17:37 pm

1 - Does the supplied software have to run in win xp? Or would win 7 be better?
Windows 7 ultimate should be fine XP is ok

2 - I have very limited programming skills so I'm not really able to hack the software, can it be used as is?
The software runs at it is but you need some time to learn

3 - I designed our pcb's and boards gerber's in Cadsoft Eagle, can we produce pick and place files that can be used with the SMT50 software? I'm looking at using mountsmd.ulp to generate component place date from Eagle - can I import this data directly to the software or will it need lots of editing before or afterwards?

Tim did an Eagle export script please look on his site

4 - I've had a look at translation files kindly provided on github by timw, do I just replace the relevant .ini files in the software with these and it improves the english translations from chinese?

The files where copied in the language folders and selected in the software no problem!

Re: High speed Pick & Place for $3600

Reply #421 – December 03, 2014, 04:59:36 pm

Many thanks for the reply Michael, very helpful :-)

I'll keep a watch for your SMT700 with 60 feeder lanes coming onto the market - I think that that suits our needs perfectly but the SMT50 should do the job for us until then.

cheers,
Allan

Re: High speed Pick & Place for $3600

Reply #422 – December 06, 2014, 10:10:59 am

Hello All,
In order to celebrate the Christmas and New Year,now Neoden Tech has a big Promotion for the machines,can contact us for the details,thank you for your continuous support on our machines.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. ---Tonny

Re: High speed Pick & Place for $3600

Reply #423 – February 09, 2015, 02:05:41 am

Have anyone bought the newer version of the machine, TM245P?

It has more feeders, vibration feeders, faster, and tray support.
No vision still but they have a "correction" approach using a square looking guide thing at one corner.
But, more expensive than the TM240A unfortunately.
This is very tempting especially with the vibration feeders support (for us poor fags that can't afford a full reel of expensive IC).

Re: High speed Pick & Place for $3600

Reply #424 – February 18, 2015, 03:28:25 pm

If you are interested in these machine and some newer models that are available, drop by the store at www[dot]neoden[dot]eu and I will be happy to help you out.

Re: High speed Pick & Place for $3600

Reply #425 – February 22, 2015, 02:29:31 pm

Hi phangmoh,
Iam a proud owner of the TM245P advanced machine. Also I am using the TM240 machines , 2 nos.
TM245P is a Beast in the desktop PNP class , a massive sturdy machine with a lot many highlights, have a 50 sets of feeders, including a 24mm ,also have the vibration feeder for various tube parts, mostly the High watt Dome LEDs are available in the tube packing form.
a very intelligent feature of the machine we like is the auto-synchronizing function, which makes the machine to retrace its path, when any obstruction happens while on functioning , you can get the video from steven <steven@neodentech.com>
Next highlight is the PCB area, can mount PCB on any part of the PCB placement area, no restriction of being mounted to one corner or so. Equipped with high power magnetic strip to mount the PCB.
This beautiful machine works @ 10,000 CPH with at most accuracy with a Pickup height of 5mm. A wide 7 inch color screen and various functions like the built-in pressure sensor readings displayed on screen makes the user to check the proper functioning of the vacuum pump any time of operation.
The firmware of the machine is a very well built to avoid any glitches and bugs, moreover the machine is put into the international market after passing 8000hours of rigorous testing in the very versatile Domestic market.
Finally concluding I need to say that TM245P scores to 10/10 points .no doubt it will be a real investment for the user as it is Built by Neoden, who is the only master in Desktop PNP machines, TM245P is a master piece of Neoden. I congratulate the Team for their hard work and dedication in bringing such a good quality machine to the International SMT market.

Re: High speed Pick & Place for $3600

Reply #426 – February 23, 2015, 01:51:06 pm

But don't forget the NEODEN Machine has no vision system to align complex parts and the feeder system is fixed.

Maybe a perfect solution to place a lot of 0603 chips.

No way for TQFP and QFN chips Neoden can post some placement results to proof.
I know TM240 machine and it's limits too.
Very fast and a good solution for simple parts.

Re: High speed Pick & Place for $3600

Reply #427 – February 24, 2015, 04:07:49 am

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No way for TQFP and QFN chips Neoden can post some placement results to proof.

I'll be heading to their Shenzhen's office to check this out. Their machine build looks pretty solid to be frank.
And I hope I can take a look at Sunny's machine too in the same trip but have to check whether they have any office in Shenzhen as a start.

I really like the vibration feeder option on the TM245P and the number of feeders is just generous.
At the same time, SMT50, SMT600, and SMT550D has vision but very limited number of feeders and also smaller maximum PCB area.
I guess checking them out in real life will help me to decide.

Re: High speed Pick & Place for $3600

Reply #428 – February 24, 2015, 05:43:39 am

I told my experience, i have a board with 3nos of 100 pin qfp ICs and a qfn, since a month and so, i already assembled around 450 boards of the same without any issue.
also TM245P -ADV is not TM240. is a much more improved one with multi-point sensor system with complete closed loop feedback and have a mechanical alignment system for the QFP ics. you can ask for a video from Neoden.
there are few companies in china copied the Neoden 240 and 220 machines attaching some cameras and claiming it as vision system, is a real blunder, i personally seen and verified those, they are using some Android app with a CMOS camera, no co-relation with the original firmware. which makes to function in an odd manner sometime.if not serious production house and just looking for play with some Pick and Place machines as a hobby, those are well suited .

[quote author="supertronic"]But don't forget the NEODEN Machine has no vision system to align complex parts and the feeder system is fixed.

Maybe a perfect solution to place a lot of 0603 chips.

No way for TQFP and QFN chips Neoden can post some placement results to proof.
I know TM240 machine and it's limits too.
Very fast and a good solution for simple parts.[/quote]

Re: High speed Pick & Place for $3600

Reply #429 – February 24, 2015, 01:18:58 pm

Hi George,
do you have any problems using plastic tapes (for diodes and bigger parst) on your TM245 machine?

Could you please show us a picture of your board after placement I am expecting to see the results for the QFP ic's.

How much did you payed for the TM245 machine?

Thank you for your valuable information.

Re: High speed Pick & Place for $3600

Reply #430 – February 27, 2015, 04:29:56 am

Hi,
The Feeder system is well improved in TM245 , is a buit-in motor system for each spool to release the plastic tape from the reel, so absolutely no issue in peeling off.
find my TQFP IC placement using TM245P.is a perfect placement , we produced more than 22 batches and tested the boards, is all functioning fine.
rgds
George
[quote author="supertronic"]Hi George,
do you have any problems using plastic tapes (for diodes and bigger parst) on your TM245 machine?

Could you please show us a picture of your board after placement I am expecting to see the results for the QFP ic's.

How much did you payed for the TM245 machine?

Thank you for your valuable information.[/quote]

Re: High speed Pick & Place for $3600

Reply #431 – March 12, 2015, 07:04:09 am

I have a TM240 machine that I have not used much since moving production overseas. If anyone is interested in buying please PM me. Pick up only in Southern California. I really wanted to have in house pick and place but I dont get to use it really so it's basically new.

Not sure if I can post this here, feel free to remove if inappropriate.

Re: High speed Pick & Place for $3600

Reply #432 – March 16, 2015, 02:32:18 pm

I just purchased the TM245p, awaiting delivery. It was $6500, then another $800 for shipping to the USA, DHL 2-5 day. I'm going to to a full review with pictures and video. I have a copy of the instruction manual, and the English is pretty poor. I will probably add to the document for my own future reference and send NeoDen a copy my notes.

Royco, I would have been interested in the TM240, but the improvements found in the TM245p were too valuable to pass up.

Re: High speed Pick & Place for $3600

Reply #433 – March 20, 2015, 05:55:45 pm

Miketedeschi, I'd really love to hear how your experience with the TM245p is going.

I have some money to spend to get equipment for my lab and a pick and place would be amazing to have. I've had my eye on the TM240 for a while but heard about the TM245 and I was really excited

Re: High speed Pick & Place for $3600

Reply #434 – March 26, 2015, 08:49:04 pm

I too am looking at the TM245P. The TM240 piqued my interest and the TM245P upgrades seem significant. The number of feeders is a real plus. Also, I like the centering square well they use and the flexible board mounting system. George, thanks for you thoughts on the TM245P. Miketedeschi or anyone else who owns one, any first thoughts would be appreciated!