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Give away a 1 year Eagle license?

No, it's a trap! It'll lock you of your own work!
[ 9 ] (60%)
Yes, it might really help a group or project!
[ 6 ] (40%)

Total Members Voted: 15

Voting closed: November 12, 2011, 03:51:19 pm

Topic: Possible Eagle license giveaway? You decide. (Read 25076 times) previous topic - next topic

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Reply #45 –
it looks like a trap...

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Reply #46 –
[quote author="Shaos"]it looks like a trap...[/quote]

I don't know your definition of a hobbyist, but i don't see a hobyist run a maior pcb design company... I think it is reasonable to have such a license for hobbyist use and 'give' the program away. With 'give away' I mean selling at a reduced price (at cost or less). hobbyist 125$ and commercial use 747$.

If you are growing with your hobby like Ian for example does, you should upgrade to an other which allows commercial use.

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Reply #47 –
[quote author="ian"]
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We can offer three EAGLE Hobbyist licenses (unlimited).

There you have it. Next week we'll be giving these away. Thanks for your ideas![/quote]

Great news!!
although I've never been lucky to win any giveaway xD

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Reply #48 –
[quote author="Shaos"]it looks like a trap...[/quote]

How so?

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Reply #49 –
hobbyist licence for eagle is imo perfect.
- non profit part can't be an issue for a hobbyis
- if you'r making money with this app - pay the commercial licence, that's more then ok
- the limits

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It is a single user license that enables all the features of the EAGLE Standard Edition (limited to six signal layers and 160x100mm routing area) with all three modules (Layout+Schematic+Autorouter).

are more then ok, 160x100 is full eurocard sise, and 6 layers is more then any hobbyist need; autorouter is included ... This is imo a perfect gift on a forum like DP :D ... and a very good licence definition for an EDA package.

I'm not a big fan of Eagle but this licence is ok, price is adequate (especially if you get it as a gift) and from what I see on the site you get free upgrade to v6 too (if you get it now).

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Reply #50 –
[quote author="arhi"]I tried few days ago to load eagle schematic and eagle board into it without success. They advertise they can import eagle but I didn't manage to do that :([/quote]
Its a bit clunky as it's a two stage process, involving an intermediate design file.

First, in EagleCAD you need to open your design (PCB or schematic) and run then ULP translation script (PCBToIntermediate.ulp or SchematicToIntermediate.ulp) provide by DesignSpark.

Once the design is converted to an intermediate format, start DesignSpark and open the intermediate design. It you can now save it as a DesignSpark PCB design. You can do the same for EagleCAD libraries.
Tony

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Reply #51 –
Ah, I was under impression they figured out how to open eagle binary files :( too bad :( ..

Anyhow they are great free solution for what I seen ... only I don't see where they get their money from so I fear what will happen tomorrow, will they decide to start charging or ...

125$ for 160x100x6 is imo great price, especially if Eagle manage to make v6 solve some of the long standing bugs in Eagle ..

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Reply #52 –
[quote author="arhi"].. only I don't see where they get their money from so I fear what will happen tomorrow, will they decide to start charging or ...
[/quote]

Sounds like it's add-based, more or less.  It was made in part by RS Components, so you'll presumably get a very good idea of their product line by using it, as well as have ready access to library files involving RS Components:)

from wikipedia
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Although there is no charge for the software, the user must register with the website to unlock disabled functions and the program displays advertisements which must be acknowledged before the user can begin working.

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Reply #53 –
yes that makes sense, similar to how I believe Farnell would gain way more if they pushed Eagle to be 100% free (as I do believe their increase in sales would be way higher then the money they get from Eagle licences, especially if they create a direct Eagle BOM -> Farnell order tool for eagle :D )

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Reply #54 –
@arhi,

Yes they would profit, but also it will save out time. We'll be benefited too.
Still learning
-Arup

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Reply #55 –
Hm, I just received my copy of Elektor (btw if you are not subscribed, I can recommend it, it is IMO best paper magazine wrt electronics today, all other just became a bunch of adds, elector actually consist of great reading material) and I see LabCenter commercial on the whole back page (PROTEUS), full page commercial for DesignSpark on the ~6th page and then on ~37th page there is a full page commercial "elector academy webinars in partnership with element14" (it is free, register on www.elektor.com/webinars if you want to attend, should be fun) but there's no mentioning of Eagle anywhere .. weird as Elektor obviously have some cooperation with Farnell ...

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Reply #56 –
Eagle disappeared from paper magazines immediately after been purchased at 2009...

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Reply #57 –
Regarding the: give away post

Its very interesting to see the types of comments on the blog vs. most of the comments in a forum thread like this. 

Ahri, its probably good you stepped in there, it seemed like a few other comments after yours were actually worth while. . .I wonder how many people actually read the post (or understand what the differences in the Eagle licenses are, for that matter).

Oh well, there were certainly a few good propositions out there :)

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Reply #58 –
That's the usual difference between participans and users ... 90% of those "gimme gimme" would not ever shared any pcb they created with that Eagle, not to mention that at least 30% of those would not even start Eagle more then 2-3 times total ..

Also, I don't see a single project there that requires this licence... as what licence gives you
 - 6 layers - well, hobby is 2 layers, if you can afford to make 6 layer pcb, you can afford to purchase licence
 - autorouter - autorouter in eagle is not worth mentioning + there is a free router that works with eagle (and works better then eagle's autorouter) so again irrelevant for hobby
 - 100x160 - this is the only thing that this licence brings that is relevant for this discussion, and I didn't see any project on the blog comments that makes sense that requires this board size.

I really expected to see some interesting projects there ... I was very very disappointed with what I seen (as you could read from mine comment there)

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Reply #59 –
I think the best project to give such license is to someone willing to create something like OBLS XXL* with largest spartan3e fpga possible for most memory depth. I do not look at xilinx docs, but if it uses only 2 rows of balls at the edges of BGA it is possible with 2 layer design but 4 layer is better IMO.

(*) the OBLS XL is reserved in my mind for the 500 gates fpga...