I just tried some things out and i found an awesome combination to prevent from scraping off the transparency leftovers: use some application tape ("Oratape", got mine from there: http://http://plotter-folien.com/product_info.php?info=p32_uebertragungsfolie-30-5-cm-x-100-m.html) and stick it on the bottom side of the transparency foil. Finally you can simply remove the stencil and all the cutouts remains on the application tape. Works just perfectly and isn´t too expensive.
Greetings from Germany, Tobias [/quote]
Thanks for the link. I'm in the US and want to try to get that tape (or similar) locally since shipping is pretty high. I've found "Application Tape" with I think is similar however I'm not sure which Tact to chose. I found Oratape on ebay and it comes in High Tact, Medium Tact and Low Tact (at least I believe that's what the HT, MT and LT stand for)
I was wondering what Tact you had on your tape (or if you knew)
yes you can order both machines already we planned to ramp up in 08/2015. The machines have a lead time between 3 and 6 weeks.
Both versions are availiable now.
VP-2000D max. 36 x 8mm feeders, build in tray option, 240 x 270mm working area VP-2500D max. 51 x 8mm feeders, build in tray option, 360 x 320mm working area[/quote]
You also said in this thread back in Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:46 am
[quote author="supertronic"] Thank you for your long explanation.
The price I mentioned is for a 60 feeder line complete equipped machine meeting CE and EU machine directive and is made in Germany. The SMT600 is an manufacturing improved design of SMT700 and will have all the features of SMT700 only a different design. I think about the upgrade parts if it is possible to do. We will have a range of different equipped machines for lower prices. But First of all the performance of the high end system must be defined and I asked for the head servos because they are so expensive. I give you an example: All of the Chinese machines use light sensors for the limit switches (having problems with stray light and changing light conditions). But the reference need to be measured very accurate because every position on the machine depends on this. You will get feeder errors or misalignment if there are differences in your reference position. I use expensive swiss limit switches to get a reference position error between +/- 0.01mm.
The pricing for SMT600 isn't fixed depends on configuration and performance!
The SMT500D is at a price of 6800USD for a double head machine having - 300x250mm board size - double head - The machine has 19x 8mm feeder lines and 13 mixed lines or additional 16x 8mm feeder lines. so total 35x 8mm lines as maximum - It uses Samsung CP45 nozzles no changer - 2 pneumatic push feeder to forward the strips independend from the head - Vision system having 2 bottom cameras with different focal length and one head camera for fiducial alignment and teach in programming - user definable pickup positions on the machine working area for parts in strips or TQFP - English PC Software - Internal motion controller USB connection to the PC
Regards Michael[/quote]
So just to clarify initially you were going to build two different machines:
I've been following this thread and have been looking at picking up a Silhouette Cameo, however it appears they just released (sometime towards the end of 2014) a newer version with a touch screen interface? (okay maybe I was looking at too many craft / scrapbook sites this holiday season)
Anyway, I'm hoping tons of scrapbook people get the new one for Christmas and the prices of used ones will drop as it's now an older model. I was just curious and wondered if anyone with more knowledge could chime in and let the rest of us know if this newer one would work with the stencil software.
Hey just another question I've been wondering. If I get one of your machines is it reasonably possible to program it for a single board? (verse a panel)
with my designs I usually get a board house that will do a batch lot of several different pcbs on a panel and I'll get maybe 3 or 9 single pcb boards of my design. Would it be possibly to program your machine to do a single one up board? or are there boarders or a minimum board size required? From the download link you posted of the SMT500D it looked like it the PCB was held down in between those two metal brackets. So is there a minimal size those brackets can go down to? or were they just running along the edge of the PCB and there was no part of the PCB being held under those brackets?
I was wondering since it has vision which (if I place fiducials correctly) I would imagine it could correct for the individual differences between these one up boards that I purchase.
Also if it is possible to do a single small board, how (or what) is the process of moving to say a panel board? would I be starting a new program from scratch? or would take the basic x and y program from Altium and then maybe do some adjustments in excel? and take that file and go from there?
or does the software with your machines automatically do this for me and I would just say I'm going form a single board to a board that has 2 x 5 (total of 10 boards) and give the x and y difference between the original board and the new layout. (This would be ideal or perhaps there is a better way that I'm unaware of? as I haven't used a pick and place machine yet)
Do you have any idea when your SMT600 will be coming along? I won't be able to go with the SMT500D as it doesn't support enough different tape and reels for my projects.
I might be in the minority of people interested in your machine - I'm someone who's looking for something not too expensive.
I'd like something reliable that works well and obviously needs vision. I have a project that has over 50 pieces so I'd need something that could handle more tape and reels than what the competition does.
That being said I'm also an engineer and understand that people want something that can do everything and sometimes a single product can't do everything so take my opinion with the understand that I might want something that's impossible.
What would work for me would be something that I can buy (on a budget if it's going to cost ~6,500 euros that's a lot to spend) but what if it could be designed with the consideration for upgrading it later on? (again I understand that this might be asking way to much)
but could the product be built with a cheaper head and servos and then later on after I get the basic "shell" of the machine could I get upgraded parts - or get a kit from you that would have the better servos and head and such?
That way you'd still get the same amount of money out of me the customer but rather over time as my budget could allow. maybe I'd find out that yes I need something that could be more precise (like the servos you mentioned) or maybe I'd need that better head that samsung makes?
but could it be an up-gradable path? I understand that this makes it a lot more complicated to design different parts into the system - and perhaps that difficulty is impossible for you to achieve at this time. but for someone like myself where spending 6,500 USD (which I think is the price you quoted initially) but now it's changing to 6,500 Euros - that's a pretty big increase. and I don't know if I could swallow that entire amount at once. over time if the product worked well and it was saving me money from hand building than yes, I'd like to move that route and upgrade to better parts.
However, I know I'm more of the minority and rather than getting a setup just for prototypes I'd rather have a system for a long term production of a small product I'd build and sell in my basement. After reading the news about how Sony Pictures database was stolen and things posted online I'm a bit concerned about sending my entire design files to a board house somewhere and wonder about how secure that design would be kept. I'd rather not have them get hacked and suddenly cheap knock offs are coming from a different part of the world after I've spend a lot of time and resources developing my own product.
Also, if I understand your post correctly the SMT500D is a new design that will be for sale in Jan 2015. Is this product different from the original product you started talking about (SMT700) I'm assuming yes but just wanting to clarify.
I also thought the SMT700 was going to come with initial feeders but we could buy additions feeders if we needed them. So is this SMT500D following that same idea? what's the max number of feeders it could support and what will it initially come with?
Is the SMT600 going to replace the SMT700? so I should forget the SMT700 at this time? and does the SMT600 follow the same design as the SMT700 other than it's smaller?
Also, you mentioned the SMT600 as a 600mm x 600mm is this the size area that the entire machine takes up on a table or workbench? or is this the size of the area that it can place component? (so it could support stuffing a board that was up to 600mm x 600mm?
sorry if these questions seem a bit simple but I'm just trying to clarify.
