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Tools of the trade / Re: China DIY PNP Machine
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Tools of the trade / Re: China DIY PNP Machine
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oursmt was the supplier of the SMT50 machine controller and software.
That's why I saw the SMT50 in one of the videos! The software looks familiar.
But, have you seen their newer machines that has feeders like those on expensive machine?
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Tools of the trade / Re: China DIY PNP Machine
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Tools of the trade / China DIY PNP Machine
I started to see like parts and pieces of pick and places like motors, frames, pickup heads, and even good looking software. Further search using my non-Chinese capable skill set (you have to iterate your Taobao search by inserting some Chinese characters along the way to fine tune your results), I stumbled upon oursmt.com. I saw some of their parts being sold on Taobao and hopefully entered the domain "oursmt.com". I guess I found probably the first DIY pick and place machine in China that probably has some documentation.
The machine does like taking some industrial standard feeders in (or some imitation version of it, saw some at RMB100 for 8mm ones). And this particular machine has vision, maximum 30 feeders, uses aluminum extrusion, external pump, software runs on a PC (saw some video running on XP, sure rings some bell here, go figure). I'm not sure what other specification they have on the machine(s). And they are selling it for RMB8800 (~USD1350) without any feeders and without external pump. They are even selling them in batches (like group order), only 20 unit per time. But, the machine sure does look like a OpenPnP machine variation at a glance, how different can they be after all?
Has anyone came across this machine?
Probably it's time to get my butt back to China and look for them!
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DirtyPCBs support / Re: Two Qs about Aluminium PCBs
Based on my experience being an agent for a local LED company that uses aluminium boards, they are usually freaking long. Short boards are rare usually. But, then you would have to factor in the shipping cost based on volumetric weight. And I guess airmail is out of question.
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Tools of the trade / Re: Pick and Place TVM920, SMT460, Neoden4
For TVM920: belt
For SMT460: belt
For Neoden4: screw[/quote]
What about the vacuum pump? I know the Neoden 4 has an internal pump.
Having to buy a separate and have the space for it is a hassle.
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Tools of the trade / Re: High speed Pick & Place for $3600
In my personal view, it's a USD25-40K machine in the < USD10K price bracket.
That sums it up. Planning to get one but out of budget and justification right now. :(
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Tools of the trade / Re: SMT700 New vision based SMT machine from SMALLSMT
Was lucky enough to catch it picking up 0402 parts and managed to catch a glimpse on the software. Software looks clean and not complicated. So, your photo is from their booth in SEG judging from their yellow table!
Really like the fact many good design aspect of the TM245P was brought over to this new machine.
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Tools of the trade / Re: SMT700 New vision based SMT machine from SMALLSMT
The good thing about this is the feeder is not fix. You only buy what you need. Along the way, if you need more, then only you add.
I think the new machine is not competing with any of the similar desktop machine, in fact is has venture into other larger machine territory. So, for that price it is still a bargain but probably not so cheap for smaller maker unless you are churning out few hundred boards a month at least.
Saw the very first prototype few months back in flesh!
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Tools of the trade / Re: SMT700 New vision based SMT machine from SMALLSMT
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In the near future Neoden will sell their quad head vision machine at >= 10000USDI don't think it's nice to speculate the price of a yet to be released machine.
And personally, a competitive and affordable price for a pick and place machine plays an important role for people like us on the forum.
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Tools of the trade / Re: High speed Pick & Place for $3600
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Tools of the trade / Re: High speed Pick & Place for $3600
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No way for TQFP and QFN chips Neoden can post some placement results to proof.I'll be heading to their Shenzhen's office to check this out. Their machine build looks pretty solid to be frank.
And I hope I can take a look at Sunny's machine too in the same trip but have to check whether they have any office in Shenzhen as a start.
I really like the vibration feeder option on the TM245P and the number of feeders is just generous.
At the same time, SMT50, SMT600, and SMT550D has vision but very limited number of feeders and also smaller maximum PCB area.
I guess checking them out in real life will help me to decide.
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Tools of the trade / Re: SMT700 New vision based SMT machine from SMALLSMT
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First of all we are releasing our new SMT500D in January.
As I didn't see updates on your web until now, I searched on Taobao for your machine.
It is priced at Yuan 29502.00 which translate to USD4700. I believe it is the same machine.
Is there any reason for the price differences (international warranty, different quality made for international)?
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Tools of the trade / Re: High speed Pick & Place for $3600
It has more feeders, vibration feeders, faster, and tray support.
No vision still but they have a "correction" approach using a square looking guide thing at one corner.
But, more expensive than the TM240A unfortunately.
This is very tempting especially with the vibration feeders support (for us poor fags that can't afford a full reel of expensive IC).