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  1. That isn’t a very fair response. I was just looking for a little clarity.

    Exactly what is a hacker, some grand discover of things, or low life scum with no morals or allegiance to anything.

    When groups like Anonymous are being help up as role models, or some grand arbitrator of the world’s ills, I think a little clarity is in order.

    Exactly what is a hacker, just a potentially naive individual with lofty goals and a curious mind, or individuals and groups that will gather at conventions, sit down right next to the bad guys, and act oblivious to it because they want to delude themselves that they are part of some grander calling.

    I’m just acting for a little clarity. Of course, I do realize that things are much clearer today than say, 30-35 years ago, but still.

    Brian K Mcclung
    BKM Engineering

    1. Nobody owes you any clarity, you obviously know how to use the internet so you already have all the tools you need to find answers… You showed up on a random blog post and did a “just asking”, “defend yourselves”, sort of thing. Literally 30 seconds of google and reading would clear it up for you. At this point most of the internet suspects you’re a troll. No, not the furry sort that lives under a bridge, we have a new meaning for that word too…

      1. I was thinking maybe he is not just a troll (he is too bad at trolling) but actually he is trying to raise some SEO points by placing a link to his site on DP blog comments.

  2. I owe someone a debt of gratitude, for a second I was worried I was wrong.

    “Hackers consider themselves something of an elite (a meritocracy based on ability), though one to which new members are gladly welcome. There is thus a certain ego satisfaction to be had in identifying yourself as a hacker.”

  3. According to this a Hacker can be almost anything, except apparently there is one thing it must be, above reproach?

    C’mon, just conversation, no offense intended. (That’s a f****** lie, I may be crazy, but I stand for something better than the modern mentality, which I believe can be best expressed by the phrase: Everything is nothing, and the smallest of things get overinflated.)

    I’ve been an electronic technician all my life, worked with great technicians and engineers. I guess those terms don’t mean much any more.

    But deep down I know there are ethical hackers, they should just do a better job of differentiating themselves from the pack.

    Brian K Mcclung
    BKM Engineering

    1. No idea what has rubbed you up, but the term Hacker is now more so associated with makers and has nothing to do with any elevation of status in fact its a group of engaged enthusiasts and built around education and learning for everyone. Not sure what you beef is exactly but this isn’t the right place for it I think, post on reddit what is a hacker – you’ll get a better audience.

      If you are interested in hacking and I mean in the community sense of sharing and educating in its modern references here’s some places to start off

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackerspace
      http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/
      http://makezine.com
      http://makerfaire.com
      http://www.adafruit.com/blog/

      Using expletives on a website that is used by teenagers is highly inappropriate.

      1. No idea what has rubbed you up (right)

        Using expletives on a website that is used by teenagers is highly inappropriate (“more” right)

        And thank you for this. “If you are interested in hacking and I mean in the community sense of “sharing and educating in its modern references” here’s some places to start off”

        Now I see what the problem is. I didn’t find it necessary to allow technology to complete re-define my entire world in order to use it.

        I’ll gladly share my knowledge with anybody, as a technician or designer.

        Good talking to you.

        Brian K Mcclung
        BKM Engineering

  4. Interesting you should end that way.

    Let me explain. You publish an article with a comments section. I read the article and as you said, published a very strong response. To say I came across a random post and made a comment, of course I did. I read a variety of random articles.

    And I do intentionally try to provoke a thoughtful response that comes from a defensive position. I may go about it a strange way, but what did I really attack.

    I attacked a mentality. Pretty directly. But I’ll phrase it another way.

    The mentality that says a school district is at fault because it was too easy to circumvent the controls they put in place when they handed out laptops to their students, while at the same time considering themselves duty bound to find a way around any control they do put in place.

    I don’t ever want the term “hacker” to lose the negative connotation it often deserves.

    Good talking to you.

    As you can guess, I could never post to Twitter.

    Oh, I just thought of something. Yes, I could have researched it. I wonder why I didn’t.

    Brian K

    1. I don’t ever want the term “hacker” to lose the negative connotation it often deserves.

      You would be surprised but very very few people care about what you want or what you don’t want.
      What is funny is that the negative connotation you attribute to the term “hacker” was introduced and popularized by the media to scare children and fools and it influenced the unsuspecting non-technical population.

      The fact that someone defends it on a blog like DP is a proof the media has done a good job.

  5. Brian, I’ve edited your post. We don’t want that sort of language around here thanks.
    Keep it clean and nice please.
    You may not want ‘Hacker’ to lose the negative connotations, but the fact is that it has long ago, at least in the technical community. I personally don’t like it, but the word ‘Hacker’ has a very different meaning to what it used to back in the 80’s and I’m sure you realise that. If you dislike that as much as you protest, then I’d suggest that DP is most certainly the wrong place for you and you’d be wasting your time and ours by continuing.

  6. This just in, words can have different meanings depending on context, and predominant meanings change over time. That’s language for you, fascinating stuff, especially a quite young language like English.

    I’m riding a hack (horse).
    I’m travelling in a hack (sidecar).
    The gentleman summoned a hack (horse drawn taxi).
    I’m hacking at it with this knife (cutting, roughly).
    I’m hacking away at this job (working methodically).
    I’m hacking the bank (black hat).
    Well that was a bit of a hack job (rough result).
    I’ll just hack something together (make something in an adhoc fashion).
    I think I can hack that to do this other thing (modify something for some alternative unintended use).

    and so on.

  7. The original meeting of “hack” in the technical sense originated in the technical schools and universities (MIT, Cal Tech, RPI et al) in the 60s and 70s (pre-internet) and referred to clever modifications to existing equipment or innovative (and possibly crude) solutions to technical problems. The negative connotation came about courtesy of B-S films like “Hackers”. The technically uninitiated grasped that meaning (thanks, Angelina Jolie!) and the original, innocuous meaning was lost.

  8. Fair enough.

    Let me ask you this.

    Why so desperately cling to the new term, I’m not quite understanding that.

    If you compare its origin and the current predominance of the term, as ridiculous as “Hacking the Home ” to refer to “designs” that offer assistance to disabled individuals, I think my problem is not so much the meaning as the excessive use of the terms hack, hacker,.hacking, etc.

    We can easily refer to anonymous as scum of the earth., it shouldn’t be a problem.

    Good talking to you.

    Brian K Mcclung
    BKM Engineering

  9. Not sure exactly who your comments are directed at, but I’m certainly not clinging to the term, I don’t like the term either. I am however, realistic enough to know that the term has had a different meaning amongst the greater tech community for at least 10 years and though I don’t like the term, I accept it, much as we all have to accept things in life that aren’t necessarily what we want. The term ‘Cracker’ is now more accepted as to the old ‘popular’ meaning of ‘Hacker’. Anyway, I think everybody has made their positions clear, so I’ll get off the subject, you can continue debating it till the cows come home if you want to waste your time, just keep it nice thanks.

  10. I think I was just being nice enough to respond to the last few posts.

    Many of the responses I got just made me realize my problem is what I perceive to be the excessive use of the term.

    I’ve never felt the need to apply it, I can’t even remember using the term in a general conversation.

    Take care

    Brian K Mcclung
    BKM Engineering

  11. Hi Zeta

    Since I believe we have sufficiently run the term HACKER into the ground, maybe we can start defining what a TROLL is.

    I know what it is, someone who reads a public article, states his opinion on a public comment board, but his opinion is unpopular.

    Got it.

    Brian K Mcclung
    BKM Engineering

  12. “but actually he is trying to raise some SEO points by placing a link to his site on DP blog comments”

    I never thought about that, that is a good idea. Of course if it that easy, maybe they shouldn’t ask for it.

    Brian K Mcclung
    BKM Engineering

  13. And actually, from my experience, in the formal professional electronics industry, which I’ve been part for going on 4 decades, I have found the term rarely used.

    I remember coming across it once on an obscure utility program for my Palm Vx.

    Whatever, I don’t mind writing.

    You want a response, write back.

    I’m at my computer most of time, doing this or that. I’m currently reverse engineering an open wheels project, designing a new circuit board.

    One day, I hope to be part of the technical community.

    Brian K Mcclung
    BKM Engineering

  14. I actually wanted to give it a rest, it had served its purpose.

    However, I’m always up for a challenge. My opinion will either get clarified and grow stronger, or get changed.

    How much time do you have.

    I was going through my schematic getting ready to create or find the remaining footprints to put on the board, and writing these 4 messages only took a few minutes out of my day, and I believe I’ll probably be lucky to find out my cases are TO-220’s and my components will be easy to find or create, blah blah blah.

    Does anybody get my point besides Zeta?

    Here’s another clue, I don’t particularly like Twitter.

    I gave you a couple of clues, what point was I trying to make?

    Brian K Mcclung
    BKM Engineering

  15. And one more thing.

    The more sinister side of hacking does exist my friend.

    Even if I was even to acquiesce to your assertion that the term HACKER has been incorrectly popularized by the media, I’m still left with these thoughts. (Copied from my second message)

    Exactly what is a hacker, some grand discover of things, or low life scum with no morals or allegiance to anything.

    When groups like Anonymous are being help up as role models, or some grand arbitrator of the world’s ills, I think a little clarity is in order.

    Exactly what is a hacker, just a potentially naive individual with lofty goals and a curious mind, or individuals and groups that will gather at conventions, sit down right next to the bad guys, and act oblivious to it because they want to delude themselves that they are part of some grander calling.

  16. Brian K Mcclung is an unhinged talentless hack. He sits alone in his one bedroom apartment, contemplating how miserable and alone he has become. Don’t listen to him. He’s an aging idiot who can’t face the truth that he’s a loser.

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