Realize INC rapid prototyping spam, why most SEO is garbage

in site by Ian | 24 comments

Over the last week a rapid prototyping company in Indiana, Realize INC, showed up in spam posted in the forum from several user accounts. This is the first spam to make it through our spam hammer filter with a link intact. By all accounts it was really well done spam. Since they are a real business, instead of a Russian porn site or online pharmacy, we called them up to report their spam and emailed screenshots.

For all intents and purposes, it sounds like they hired a “guaranteed 1st on google, we increase your search ranking, 100% wh1te hat, no spamz, 1337 SEO” outfit.  And since they had never been on the internet before, they didn’t know that was code for forum spam. Unfortunately they don’t plan to address it until next week, so be on the lookout for more Realize INC rapid prototyping spam… A free PCB to the first person to spot one!

If you didn’t already know, most SEO, or search engine optimization, is code for some sort of spam. SEO services promise to make you the first result on a Google search for specific keywords. Good search ranking come from generating content people like, there’s no tricks to it, but everyone likes a shortcut. If it sounds to good to be true, it’s probably spam.

Today we got a reply from Realize INC CFO Tonya L. Reese. We are treated to a delight of justifications for using SEO that seem to include an admission they don’t have time or expertise to engage with customers one on one… Not the best PR job ever.

When you hire SEO, there’s a strong possibility they come spam in our forum. The proper response when you inevitably find out your SEO is spamming:

  1. Apologize profusely
  2. Fire the SEO firm immediately.

It’s tacky to justify it, and possibly illegal to wait a week to call off the SEO on the next convenient conference call…

Regular readers may want to skip this post if they’re not in the mood for a long rant.

Everything stated is strictly Ian’s personal opinion. We’re trying hard not to automatically assume they did it, but what other option is there?

I also wanted to write and reiterate our apologies for the spam to your site.  It will be addressed in our conference call next week with our SEO company.

Please don’t wait a week. That could mean another week of poor quality Realize INC rapid prototyping spam hurting the search ranking of our site! Please find out if they did this, and fire them immediately if they did. This could effect 100s or 1000s of forums and blogs.

Realize works with engineering departments at mid to large size companies, so I honestly don’t even know why our SEO company would be on your site to begin with.

That is precisely what most SEO companies do. They find sites with great content and high search rankings, then spam low quality, low rated Realize INC rapid prototyping links to raise your rank by association. This is basically a scam to fool Google search to give you a higher ranking than your site warrants. Search engines will remove sites for unethical and potentially illegal rapid prototyping spam.

Definitely an error on their part, and please be assured that it has our upmost attention.  However, this was not an intentional act by us as you assumed that is was, nor did our receptionist deserve to be spoken to in a difficult manner.

Low ranked, poor quality Realize INC rapid prototyping spam didn’t accidentally find its way into our forum. Spammers don’t work for free. We submitted the spam to online databases, and informed you that we would call your BBB and Chamber of Commerce. We may also have recourse available through the US CAN-SPAM Act. Please remember we did not seek your attention, we were victimized by Realize INC rapid prototyping spam.

We do not wish to spam anyone ever, nor do we need to solicit business on your site… in fact, we actually discourage requests from individuals and encourage them to seek companies that cater to the individual since we cater to engineering departments.

With SEO the goal is not to solicit business from us. Poorly rated, low quality Realize INC rapid prototyping spam links piggyback on the reputation of our business. It basically scams search engines for a higher rank by association. In the process, low rated, poor quality rapid prototyping links from Realize INC steal a bit of our rank. It can cause real damage to our business when poor quality Realize INC rapid prototyping spam links lower our search ranking. We feel that is theft with real monetary damages if left unchecked, and courts agree by awarding money to the victims of unwanted spam. Again, please do not let this continue until next week.

I did also note your comment on your board about us hiring SEO.  Please let me explain. We were very careful to select one of the most recognized SEO companies in the business, and one of our top criteria was ethics because we have a good name to protect in our industry.

We have to assume Realize INC’s poor quality control allowed this to happen. It is Realize INC’s responsibility to know your contractors and their methods – methods that appear to include spamming our forum around 10 times on rapid prototyping keywords. You seem unwilling to protect your good name by addressing this immediately, as you will let us live under the threat of more poor quality Realize INC rapid prototyping spam damaging our business until next week.

Unfortunately, we have to hire SEO to rank because our industry is so competitive, and ranking organically is how new companies find out about us.

“Ranking organically” sounds like SEO speak for posting Realize INC rapid prototyping spam… The competitiveness of your industry is not a justification for posting badly rated Realize INC rapid prototyping spam in our forum.

Running a business and raising a family leaves us no time to write our own content, nor is that where our expertise lies. As business owners, we are already wearing numerous hats and working too many hours as it is.

You are not welcome to mooch our content if Realize INC doesn’t have time or expertise to interact with customers one on one.  We also run a business, raise a family, write content, work 80 hour weeks, and get the pleasure of cleaning Realize INCs rapid prototyping spam from our business support forum…

I hope you will in turn understand that it’s equally frustrating on our end to have someone so upset and reporting us for something we didn’t even know about and would not have allowed.

Absolutely we are upset, graffiti for your business appeared all over ours. We followed the normal routine of submitting the Realize INC rapid prototyping spam to the various online spam databases.  There may be 100s or 1000s of forums with Realize INC rapid prototyping spam. As this was most likely posted by your SEO company, at best someone at Realize INC seems to have hired spammers without doing the proper research, at worst you turned a blind eye.

However, it sounds like it will be a non issue going forward, and hopefully we can part with a better understanding.

We are going to highlight the Realize INC rapid prototyping spam and respond publicly. We hope that helps other businesses in your position understand the danger of shortcut SEO, and the impact it has on other businesses. Please address this immediately, we would prefer not to delete poorly ranked Realize INC rapid prototyping spam links from our forum for the next week.

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Comments

  1. arhi says:

    :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

  2. Arup says:

    Spammers gonna spam, Haters gonna hate.
    But DP gonna be DP as it was, is and will be.
    I’d suggest any forum member to follow any interesting links to poster’s personal site or anything where any knowledge design or DIY techniques can be found. But when you follow link to a business website, do check their reviews first before actually emptying pocket.

  3. Jac Goudsmit says:

    Meanwhile, this page is up to #4 when I google for Realize Inc… ;-)

    I guess they’re getting their money’s worth — kinda…

  4. Aaron says:

    Excellent. Realize INC rapid prototyping will be surprised that googling for their name (as an engineering team will tend to do when considering moving to a new company for subcontracting) will now have them listed as spammers and as a company to avoid as being unethical. Ah, the wonders of the internet. Honestly, it sounds like Realize INC knew exactly what they were up to when they hired the spammer SEO company to do their dirty work. Otherwise they would have fixed the spam issue immediately.

    Or perhaps they subscribe to the theory that any press is good press.

  5. Zeta says:

    “Running a business and raising a family leaves us no time”
    They say they are really busy people but they think others has time to clean up their spam everyday.

    It’s common sense apologizing and to make it stop immediatly when you find out someone is posting spam for you, but this guys will wait one week. Thats ridiculous.
    I see 2 posibilities here. They have no idea how the internet works or they are just full of themselves

    • Jan says:

      “It’s common sense apologizing and to make it stop immediatly when you find out someone is posting spam for you, but this guys will wait one week. Thats ridiculous.
      I see 2 posibilities here. They have no idea how the internet works or they are just full of themselves”

      Or they hired the SEO company for a week long “campaign” and want to get their money worth …

  6. cde says:

    The levels of passiveaggressiveness here is amazing

    • arhi says:

      Well, not really, but we are all fed up with spammers. I run a small mail server and less then 0.01% of emails that arrives to it are not spam, I have a dual cpu box handling spam – that COST MONEY and annoys the hell out of me …

      I run few blogs too, less then 0.1% of comments there are “Real”, everything else is spam …

      I’m not passive aggressive, [removed]… I’d push law to immediately close companies and give their assets to poor … More then 80% of all Internet traffic is spam … Aggressive – oh yes, I want them gone, passive, no not really, but there’s not much we can do without proper tools (for e.g. in Russia iirc they solved the problem after they made a law to punish spammers in million amounts)

  7. John Tarbox says:

    Given that Realize INC, of Noblesville, Indiana are “wearing numerous hats and working too many hours as it is” what kind of personal attention can I expect if I give them a rapid prototyping order?

    Further should a problem occur with an order, will they consider “It will be addressed in our conference call next week” an appropriate response?

    Well I guess they consider rapid to be more important than right; OK to get it wrong just as long as it is fast.

  8. Dolabra says:

    rant aside, it is was an interesting education in SEO (at least for me)….I’m always learning something at DP!

  9. Well, I’ll never be using Realize INC. This nasty practice is enough for me to never give them my business. I hope the rest of DP does the same.

  10. Ben Konosky says:

    This page now comes up as the #3 link when you search Realize Inc.

    Also, I’ll never use them for the same reasons John Tarbox stated.

  11. tayken says:

    “Running a business and raising a family leaves us no time to write our own content, nor is that where our expertise lies. As business owners, we are already wearing numerous hats and working too many hours as it is.”
    Well, studying day and night + social obligations (friends & family) leaves no time for most of us for hacking stuff. I have a couple of servers under my wing, I have to manage a company website but I still try to find time for doing things properly. And for most of us, it’s the same!

    That part is full of cr*p I say!

  12. Ben Konosky says:

    Well, their SEO company got them on the first page for Rapid Prototyping. Think if enough people block them in their Google search it would drop them down?

    There are no shortcuts in growing a business.

  13. Bertho says:

    Send them a bill for hours used on watching and cleaning the forum. At a standard consultancy fee, that may have impact. At least it sends a clear message.

  14. Yimmy says:

    “Running a business and raising a family leaves us no time to write our own content, nor is that where our expertise lies. As business owners, we are already wearing numerous hats and working too many hours as it is.”

    looks like they are too busy having birthday parties…
    https://www.facebook.com/realizeinc
    Does this remind anyone of the TV show the office?

  15. https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/spamreportform?hl=en
    “Webspam pages try to get better placement in Google’s search results by using various tricks…”

    That is definitely an interesting link that may prove useful. They want SEO – optomize on another forum.

  16. Zizzle says:

    Wow, what a bunch of scumbags.

    I guess we should all use our personal blog to link to this page to raise it’s google juice.

  17. Drone says:

    What, are there no U.S. Trial Lawyers out there willing to take this case up on contingency? Sue the pants off them. It’s the American Way!

  18. anonymous says:

    These folks are scum. Who’s up for anti-SEOing them? Let’s send them to page 10.

  19. anonymous says:

    These folks are scum. Who’s up for anti-SEOing them? Let’s send them to page 100. Please use the below google site to sock it to ‘em.

    https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/spamreportform?hl=en

  20. David Burton says:

    What’s the temptation to add a backhanded recommendation on their Facebook page? Like ‘If you want your Blog spammed by irrelevant advertising, these are the guys to do it’.

    I see the DP article about spamming is now #2 if you search for the company – just one more place…

  21. kuhltwo says:

    Very interesting. I really learned something this morning, thanks HAD.
    One of the MANY reasons I read this site almost everyday.

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